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Why are women still not allowed to work in direct combat positions in the US military?
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that women are fully capable of handling direct combat.
Look at women like Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester. In 2005 her convoy was ambushed by 50 insurugents while traveling in Iraq. She along with a male soldier cleared enemy trenches with grenades, and she personally killed atleast 3 of the insurgents with her rifle. She received the Silver Star
Or Monica Lin Brown who saved the lives of several soldiers by using her own body to shield them from mortar and small arms fire. She also won the Silver Star
Not to mention the famous Russian Red Army female snipers during World War II.
As it sits right now, men and women are already serving along side each other. Why not allow women to serve in direct combat positions if they wish?
THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!! Women are not allowed into combat for many reasons, an example is below, while they are being shot at and blown up, so weren't many in WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, etc....it is the nature of the beast that a mortar, artillery, sniper, IED, etc..will get someone who it is not intended for. As for some info for the question-
From the report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces dated November 15, 1992, it states in part:
The average female Army recruit is 4.8 inches shorter, 31.7 pounds lighter, has 37.4 fewer pounds of muscle, and 5.7 more pounds of fat than the average male recruit. She has only 55 percent of the upper-body strength and 72 percent of the lower-body strength.
An Army study done in 1988 found that women are more than twice as likely to suffer leg injuries and nearly five times as likely to suffer fractures as men.
Further, the Commission heard an abundance of expert testimony including:
- women's aerobic capacity is significantly lower, meaning they cannot carry as much as far as fast as men, and they are more susceptible to fatigue.
- in terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median. The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man.
After a study was conducted at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, one expert testified that:
- using the standard Army Physical Fitness Test, the upper quintile (top 20%) of women at West point achieved scores on the test equivalent to the bottom quintile (bottom 20%) of men.
- only 21 women out of the initial 623 (3.4%) achieved a score equal to the male mean score of 260.
- on the push-up test, only 7% of women can meet a score of 60, while 78% of men exceed it.
- adopting a male standard of fitness at West Point would mean 70% of the women he studied would be separated as failures at the end of their junior year, only 3% would be eligible for the Recondo badge, and not one would receive the Army Physical Fitness badge.
Also, recent studies indicate women are more at risk to getting PTSD, as documented from Iraq and Afghanistan, women who were never in direct combat but whose camps were shelled were more likely to develop PTSD than there male counter-parts.
In short, Women are in the Military Jobs they are in out of politics, not need, not due to merit but politics and quotas. A women can be just as brave as a man but that does me no good when she is hurt more easily, or I have to carry her load because it is to heavy or even worse, she is to weak to drag me back to the Hummer or Helo. Also, Urban Combat is very Physical and having had to have women with us to search female prisoners I can tell you that I have yet to meet a woman in the military who can perform a combat job as well as a man, that is in 18 years of being in a combat branch. Only a few countries have ever let women fight, the former USSR did so because they had no one else left really, the Israelis never did it and it is a common myth that they did. Sorry folks, it is not your "right" to endanger me or my platoon mates for your chance at a job and unlike the corporate world, if people fail in our area of work then people die, not lose money, shares, a bad quarter, etc...people die. Another myth, "Women can take more pain", that is a falsehood spread a long time ago and was thought by Dr. Spock and he tried to relate it to the fact that women go thru giving birth, not based on anything else but good PR and being in some movie quotes and perpetuated by feminists. As for a lot of the posters, they crack me up-Air Force folks outside of PJs and CCTs have no room to argue, your bases are like hotels in country and your tours hardly count for combat. I salute your service but it does not constitute making you as having expertise on humping into a village and shooting someone. The majority of folks who go over and who are talking from sitting on FOBs the whole time they were in-country, that does not constitute "being in the s***" so to speak, you will also notice that a lot of the folks posting are people who have never been in the military and look at the idea of women in combat as a "concept" and as though it is an idea that should be tried, it should not, COMBAT IS NOT A SOCIAL RIGHT FOR ADVANCEMENT, PEOPLE GET KILLED IF THEY CANNOT PULL THERE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The above does not even touch on a lot of the other problems they cause by being in mixed units, nor the fact that officers who are female know that they would be in a front line unit if allowed only for 4-6 years of there 20-30 year career since the rest of the time they would be in TOC, there are soooooo many reasons not to do it and only one reason to do it-a "feeling" that it is a "Right"! Well, what about my right not get killed for someone's inability to do there job? Do I have to get killed in the name of PC? Having worked with the Norwegians and others, ask them how it is working out for them
Shock and Awe, to me your a joke, look at my posts and my answer to other questions it is not hard to figure out what I do, I DOUBT you were a grunt when it counted and like many people who have been out of the loop you talk like a typical TOC jock and FOB Warrior, not the same. Also, like most people who talk like you do, instead of debating my points or giving facts you say I must hate women, can't beat someone at an argument might as well bring out the old hate card, I am betting it is not your first time doing that when losing an argument. Your only actual answer with something to back it up for this question is this ONE time and the use that other countries do it so we should too is a weak one. A.) They do not allow them into mixed units B.)They still do not do the stuff that the men do C.) Actually work with some of those guys and see what they think, I can tell you that many of our NATO allies hate it. I did not forget you did time as a grunt, I just don't buy it because you post it on your ID, you talk like a desk jock not a grunt, not once do you argue against the physical limitations for ground work against women in combat, something a grunt would know if he had done it. Oh, notice how I have an email address available and you do not? Wouldn't want someone to bother such a busy JAG NCO
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